Oldest Known Ancestor of Winter Family: John Winter

Farmland of Mosstower, from the History of Eckford web page.

This material is taken from Malcolm Winter's Website.

JOHN WINTER  was born 1757 in ?Scotland or 2/20 Chester LeStreet St. Mary, Durham, and died in ? Bovina New York. He married ELISABETH (BETTY) ALLAN May 15, 1785 in Ford, Northumberland, England, daughter of ?WILLIAM ALLON.

John came to America with his 16 year old son Robert in 1822 - had a 9 week voyage and landed in Quebec. From there they came to Bovina to visit the Winters who had come first, intending to then go on to Ohio. Eventually they decided to settle in the New York region - for a time living with a married daughter named Turnbull near the United Presbyterian Church of Bovina. When young Robert became 20 he married Sally Drummond.

Below is a letter from Thomas Winter to John Winter.  I have not corrected the typos since this is the only copy I have seen.


                                                        Mosstower, May 24, 1839
Dear Grandfather,

I have now taken the present opportunity of writing these lines,
hoping you are enjoying good health.
I have taken this opportunity because there is a person by the
name of Robert Henderson going to emigrate to America. I suppose he is
going to settle about the same country where you are. He lives in
Jadburgh at present and he is going away at Whitsunday when he promised
to carry this letter. My father and mother continue in Mosstower, yet
and have given up all thoughts of ever setting out for America, and
what hinders them I know not. Perhaps it is the perils and dangers of
the sea or perhaps the difficulty of parting with their friends here,
for they have more friends here now. My sister and brother (as you
have heard) are both at Lintons and have each a family of their own. My
sister Margaret is married on the farm there and my brother John is
shepherd under them, but he met in with a grievous and lamentable
misfortune. A year and half since when his wife died In child-bed and
1eft two sons. They are now two fine boys, both able to run about.
Margaret has also a boy about 14 months old. My brother Robert is an
apprentice at Ecford where he is serving his time as joiner. Betsey
and Jessie are both at hone under the superintendence of my father. I
shall give you I history of myself but I shall reserve it to the end.
Yet I rejoice under the providence of God to say we are a11 well and
live contented with the station that is assigned us, I think sir, more
than likely that my father and mother will never see you again in this
world. Indeed it is difficult to say what providence is often pleased
to bring about, and I dare say that it wil1 be the case. I have often
heard that I had a grandfather and if I happened to meet you on the
streets of New York I would pass you by and think you was one of the
inhabitants of the city. I hope you are well supplied with ministers
of the Gospel, yet, I believe there are many places destitute of such
excellent positions on account of the inhabitants 1yiny wide and far
between. The best method I can think of to remedy this inconvenience is
that ministers should go from one place to another like the Ranters
among us.
In Northumberland, the other year they were much busied in going
from place to place but I hear no more word about them.
We had frightful accounts of war in America this winter, but I
believe now that it is in the great measure abated, but I saw in the
papers that the U.S. and Canada had a disagreement about the boundary line
between the two aforesaid countries, and whether the dispute is ended I
have not heard. The Chartists in England or what we call the Radicals are
raising such disturbances. They are arming all their followers and minions
and exercising then in the arts of war. There are some petitions sent by
them to the government and if their grievances are not redressed they are
determined to take Parliament and wrest from them at the point of the
sword the object of their wish.
This spirit has infused itself into a great number of the
inhabitants of the great manufacturing towns of England Scotland, and the
clergy here are all so alarmed that they have bills posted up on the
Church doors prohibiting any person to use or exercise in anything that is
employed in war.
We are sorry to hear such bad reports from out friends in America,
and I hope that the means used for the recovery of my cousins will prove
successful. But remember to write the first opportunity that occurs and
send us word how they and all our friends are.
My Uncle James Turnbull and all his family (the last report we heard)
are well.
My Uncle William is down about Northumberland but we have no
communication whatever with him.
I promised to give you an account of myself. I have been et Edinburgh
two winters at College and I just came out to spend two or three weeks at
Mosstower and am just preparing to go back again all summer to attend the
summer classes.
Some persons advise me to follow the ministry but I think that a
teacher in Scotland or in America succeeds very well.
You must remember that I am not a dissenter like my father but a true
and firm adherer of the Church of Scotland I must remain.
As the bounds Or this paper w11 not allow me to go farther,

I am your steady and affectionate grandson,

                                                 Thomas Winter

The foregoing letter is in the possession of Miss Margaret Storie,
Bovina Center, New York and is addressed to,

Mr. John Winter
Bovina, County of Delaware
State of New York
North America

Equitable Building

RODNEY WHITE/REGISTER FILE PHOTO

Jane remembers visiting her dentist at the top of the Equitable Building in Des Moines Iowa.  This 319 foot tall building built in 1924 was the tallest building in Iowa for 49 years.

Jane's Great Uncle David B. Winter

Today Jane told me a story about visiting her great uncle, David B. Winter in the Black Hills.  He was her grandfather's (father's side) brother, and he used to have a summer cabin there.  Jane remembers the sound of the creek next to the cabin when her family took a road trip to Montana and picked up Dave on the way.  My cousin Malcolm has a note on his family web site saying that David had "little black curls" all over his head and that he spent his last years in the Black Hills region.  He was born July 12, 1867 and died June 5, 1950 in Rapid City, South Dakota.  Census shows he was living in Osceola in 1885 and in 1915. (This is probably the same person since Osceola was an important Winter habitation).  Could this be the same David B. Winter of Rapid City South Dakota "who formerly was in the confectionery business and is well and favorably known in this" and was "general auditor for the Rapid [City?] Black Hills and Western Railway company with headquarters at Rapid City" according to the Alton Democrat, June 17, 1911?  Probably not, since although he died in Rapid City, he was probably in Osceola in 1911.  Malcolm Winter's genealogy site is at Winter.  

Harold Leddy on his ancestors: letter from approximately May, 1967

"I wish I could give you some good leads on the Leddy geneology (?)  Msgr. Leddy think we came from County Clare or Cavin,  They kept no passenger lists of the Irish who came over at the time of the potato famine (1848 et sec)  There is a paper in Belfast that used to print a list of family names and trace them back to some early king or saint.  I'm sure we would be included and probably could boast a coat of arms.  All I know is that my father was born in New York; that his father (whose name I believe was Andrew Leddy) served in the civil war.  That he died from wounds tho not on the battlefield.  That Papa was raised by an uncle named Daley or Daley who operated a shoe blacking factory near the waterfront in Philadelphia.  Helen says there is a A Snee living in New York or Brooklyn;  Jennie Snee was Papa's sister.  The operated a ship chandlers business and made a lot of money converting passenger ships to troop ships in W.W.I. and vice versa.

Some day you might carry on my research.  On my mothers side Anna Breen has the complete dope (or thinks she has)   She wanted to belong to the D.A.R. and for a price the experts produced a long line of ancestors which went beyond the Revolution and an ancestor is busied in Old Swedes churchyard in Phila.

As to Mother's ancestry you have all the information needed.  At least you have living Scottish relations.

Have a Happy Trip and tell the boys to watch out for those French girls.

Love Dad [Harold Leddy]"

Msgr Leddy was not a relative but a parish priest with the same last name in Bakersfield.  He married Jack and Jane.  Patrick Leddy

John Thomas Leddy and Mary Amanda Murray

John Thomas Leddy (my grandfather's father) married Mary Amanda Murray at this church in Philadelphia in 1882. 

Margaret Leddy's Uncle John Charleson

We have long heard of Uncle John Charleson, my grandmother's father's brother, and how he converted the Eddie daughters to Catholicism.  He had an estate in Kirkconnel. I thnk I found him here.

Fasti ecclesiæ scoticanæ; the succession of ministers in the Church of Scotland from the reformation (1915)

Author: Scott, Hew, 1791-1872; Macdonald, D. F. (Donald Farquhar), 1906-
Keywords: Church of Scotland; Church of Scotland; Scotland -- Biography
Publisher: Edinburgh : Oliver and Boyd
Year: 1915

JOHN CHARLESON, born Inverness,189Q 7th Sept. 1862, son of Kenneth C. 
and Margaret Forbes, and brother of Charles Forbes C., min. of Kirkconnel ; 
educated at Univ. of Edinburgh ; M.A. (1884), B.D. (1888); licen. by Presb. of 
Paisley ; ord. 5th Sept. 1890 ; adm. first min. of the parish 8th March 1892. 
Joined the Church of Rome, when the Presb. declared him to hold "no longer 
the office of the holy ministry, and that he is disqualified and discharged from 
exercising the functions of the same or any part thereof," 30th Oct. 1901. He 
was ord. priest at Kirkintilloch in 1904 ; afterwards at Croy and Rome. Publica-
tion Why I left the Church of Scotland (1901.) 

This book is pretty rare, although one could possibly find it in the British Museum.  However he also wrote an article "Why I Left the Church of Scotland" published in the Glasgow Herald on Nov. 5, 1901, and that is available, at least currently, here.

This article is said to be the opening of his book (or, rather, pamphlet}

There were a couple replies to the book. 

Google lists  one by a Jacob Primmer,"Citizen" Office, 1901  47 pages.

Mr Charleson's "Why I left the Church of Scotland", or, The secret Romanising "Scottish Church Society" exposed

Another was 

Peter and the keys : an examination of the Rev. John M.M. Charleson's book "Why I left the Church of Scotland" by Charles Hall (Paisley : Alexander Gardner, 1901).

 See also here

 

See also 

Liturgical Space (Liturgy, Worship & Society in Western Europe 1500-2000) by Nigel Yates (Ashgate, 2008)  "complaints were made against the ministry from 1890, John Charleson, that he had introduced a service book with congregational responses, encaustic tiles and stained glass in the chancel and the erection of a communion table with a tabernacle." 129

Chronology

Born 7 Sep 1862  Inverness, Inverness-shire, Scotland.

Edinburgh University; Master of Arts, 1884; Bachelor of Divinity, 1888.
 Licensed by Presbytery of Paisley.
  Licensed by Presbytery of Linlithgow, 1889.
Minister of Thornliebank, 1890; ordained, 1890.
  Admitted first minister of the parish, 1892. 

"Why I Left the Church of Scotland" published in the Glasgow Herald on Nov. 5, 1901, 

  Presbytery declared him to no longer hold the office of the holy ministry, and was disqualified and discharged from his office, 1901.
  Joined the Church of Rome.
  Ordained a priest of Kirkintilloch, 1904.
  Afterwards at Croy and Rome.

 

The Catholic World

New Zealand Tablet, Rōrahi XXXV, Putanga 38, 19 Mahuru 1907, Page 31

See article Scotland: The Shadow and The Substance here for more details about his life as a Catholic.

 

 Died 30 Jun 1942  Dunranion Billericay, Essex, England

 

 

William Crowe Kellogg and Jack and Jane Wedding

Note from Jack around 2011

Re:  Bill Kellogg

"We spent our wedding night - Sept. 11 [1948] at the Kellogg Mansion.  Turned out that our "Best Man" at our wedding in Carmel gave us the gift of a night at Kellogg residence in Altadena...."

The mansion is described in an LA Times article The House Scripps Built : A Family and a Community Struggle to Preserve Their Heritage March 02, 1986 Mark Arax |.  "The mansion [Scripps Hall mansion], located at 209 E. Mariposa St., is understated despite being built on a road once known as "Millionaires' Row" because of the wealthy and famous men such as author Zane Grey and hotel builder, Col. G. G. Green who moved there at the turn of the century. Like the community's pioneers, the home is more practical than elegant, with its Oriental influences, leaded glass windows and sweeping staircase. Although empty for the past several years since the elder Kelloggs moved permanently to La Jolla, it remains in good condition."  At that time the mansion was an "old people's home" and was under threat of destruction.  "My father made this quick, rather hasty decision and then he began to reflect upon it," said William Crowe Kellogg. "I think he felt he made a mistake and feared the home would be torn down and the property developed."  Later however it was renovated and is now a school:  this from Wikipedia:  "In 1979, threatened with demolition, the Altadena Heritage Association coordinated the historic home's sale to the Pasadena Waldorf School, one of many Waldorf Schools around the world. Scripps Hall was placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1999 for its significance as a 'settlement site'" 

Also from the LA Times  http://articles.latimes.com/1991-11-20/news/ga-37_1_altadena-home-tour "In 1987, the Waldorf School of Pasadena purchased the remaining 3.5-acre estate, including the 6,000-square-foot Craftsman-style Scripps Hall mansion, on the condition that the estate be preserved. Scripps' great-grandson, William Kellogg, had led a community battle to save the mansion from destruction by developers, and Altadena Heritage emerged from the effort to become a preservation group.
The forest-green stucco, brick and wood Craftsman-style house has jutting beams, balconies, dormer windows and elaborate beveled glass windows around the front door. A balustraded stairway, wood-paneled walls and ceilings, and wood-and-tile fireplaces are inside."